Ketamiini

Keskustelua dissosiatiiveista ja delirianteista.
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by viva » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 00:53

No niin ketamiini tyypit. Vähän niitä huonoja vaikutuksia ja viboja kehiin! Entä terveysvaikutukset. Sivuvaikutukset muiden hummeireiden tai lääkkeiden kanssa. Vai voiko tämä the ketamiini olla näinkin täydellinen huume?

Nostaa ainakin verenpainetta ja sykettä? tuskimpa niin paljon kuitenkaan että haittaisi esim. korkeasta verenpaineesta kärsiviä, sydänvikaisia tai vanhoja ihmisiä. Vai??

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Re: Ketamiini

Post by lanttu » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 01:00

DXM!
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by sxoxyvg » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 01:55

viva wrote:No niin ketamiini tyypit. Vähän niitä huonoja vaikutuksia ja viboja kehiin! Entä terveysvaikutukset. Sivuvaikutukset muiden hummeireiden tai lääkkeiden kanssa. Vai voiko tämä the ketamiini olla näinkin täydellinen huume?

Nostaa ainakin verenpainetta ja sykettä? tuskimpa niin paljon kuitenkaan että haittaisi esim. korkeasta verenpaineesta kärsiviä, sydänvikaisia tai vanhoja ihmisiä. Vai??

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Munuaisia muistaakseeni rasittaa.

Mut joo, on se täydellinen huume ;)
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by sxoxyvg » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 12:47

desoxy wrote:korkeahko hinta ja huono saatavuus + lyhyt kesto on mun mielestä vaan ne huonot puolet
Millastas hintaa tosta suomes yleensä huudetaan?
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by NarkkiParkki » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 16:41

viva wrote:No niin ketamiini tyypit. Vähän niitä huonoja vaikutuksia ja viboja kehiin! Entä terveysvaikutukset. Sivuvaikutukset muiden hummeireiden tai lääkkeiden kanssa. Vai voiko tämä the ketamiini olla näinkin täydellinen huume?
Saattaa aiheuttaa ainakin joitakin näköhaittoja, kuten lumisadetta näkökentässä ym.

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Re: Ketamiini

Post by tRip » Sat 18 Jul 2009, 05:00

Ketamiini on psykedeelien heroiinia, kuten ystäväni joskus minulle tokaisi.

Masennuslääkkeiden aatelia.
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by sxoxyvg » Sat 18 Jul 2009, 18:14

Muutamana päivänä ottanu ketkua, eilen ja tänää heränny sil tuulel et elämäs on oikeesti ehk jotain tärkeetä. Mahtava olo. Bentsoja ja ketamiinia mulle loppuelämäksi niin musta saa yhteiskuntakelpoisen, tuottavan ihmisen!
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by tRip » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 08:59

sxoxyvg wrote:Muutamana päivänä ottanu ketkua, eilen ja tänää heränny sil tuulel et elämäs on oikeesti ehk jotain tärkeetä. Mahtava olo.
Joo, tuntuu kuin kaikki negatiiviset ajatusrakennelmat murtuisivat. Olo on seuraavana päivänä voimallisen neutraalin euforinen.
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by Lasipallo » Sun 26 Jul 2009, 14:11

viva wrote:No niin ketamiini tyypit. Vähän niitä huonoja vaikutuksia ja viboja kehiin! Entä terveysvaikutukset. Sivuvaikutukset muiden hummeireiden tai lääkkeiden kanssa. Vai voiko tämä the ketamiini olla näinkin täydellinen huume?

Nostaa ainakin verenpainetta ja sykettä? tuskimpa niin paljon kuitenkaan että haittaisi esim. korkeasta verenpaineesta kärsiviä, sydänvikaisia tai vanhoja ihmisiä. Vai??

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Kyllä siitä joskus tulee melko huono olo lähinnä ja minun mielialani laskee hyvin huomattavasti joka kerta pariksi päiväksi.

Suurimmat ongelmat näyttävät syntyvän kroonisesta oraalisesta ja nasaalisesta käytöstä:

The destruction of the lower urinary tract by ketamine abuse: a new syndrome?

Ketamine-associated ulcerative cystitis: a new clinical entity.

'Street ketamine'-associated bladder dysfunction: a report of ten cases.
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by tRip » Fri 07 Aug 2009, 03:12

Innostuin vähän poimimaan tekstistä omasta mielestäni oleellisia pointteja ja jänniä ajatuksia koskien ketamiinia.

Olisi hienoa kuulla enemmänkin ihmisten kokemuksia ja ajatuksia koskien tätä ihmeainetta ketamiinia, 'psykedeelien heroiinia.'
Tämä tosiaan tuntuu lienevän hieman harvinaisempaa herkkua..mutta hyvä niin.

Parhaiten osaan kuvailla vaikutusta täydellisen neutraaliksi. Täydellisyys jota ei osaa pelätä..
http://www.lavondyss.com/donut/guide/ketamine.html wrote:
I tend towards unconsciousness with too large a dose. The experience I will describe here is for the average psychedelic dose of approximately 100 mg. taken intramuscularly. I've heard reports of people who snort small amounts of Ketamine while at dance clubs. However, the experience produced by this is not even remotely similar to what I've described below.

As the high is coming on there is a break in the continuity of consciousness. Soon after this point I find myself in a swirling psychedelic universe. There is no concept that I am currently high on a drug that I'm going to come down from. Frequently there is no recollection of ever having been myself, been born, had a personality or body, or even known of planet earth. The experience is one of being in total orgasm with the universe. I feel like I'm in hyperspace, simultaneously connected to all things. Billions of images and perceptions are simultaneously flowing through my circuits. I am not bound into three dimensions. In the fourth dimension of time I am not locked into the current moment. I experience backwards and forwards in time as well, with the current moment being the center of intensity. On my first Ketamine experience there was a non-verbal feeling that my entire life up to that point had been preparation, particularly my other psychedelic experiences, and taking Ketamine was like pressing the GO button. It felt as though there had been a major and permanent shift in the "fabric of reality," or the mode in which I perceived the universe. It felt as though the states of mind I had broken through to in previous psychedelic peaks had become the base reality. And this new reality felt better than I'd ever anticipated it could be. My past psychedelic experiences taught me how to release and flow within this type of world. On a Ketamine experience I do not need to "do" anything.

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When I realize I'm coming back it feels more novel like "Wow, I'm coming back, I wonder what life is going to be like after this experience." Although there is a feeling that the ride's almost over this part of the experience is quite interesting, with part of my mind still running circles around the cosmos, and another part reintegrating with my identity. Often I experience the return portion of the Ketamine Journey as an alien rebirth experience. Upon returning to the body, visuals will continue for a while with eyes opened. These can be quite spectacular and hallucinatory, and bear more resemblance to DMT visuals than other psychedelic visuals.

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One problem I find with Ketamine is that the experience is difficult to bring back and reintegrate with routine reality. Memory of the experience is even difficult. Within hours after coming back, 99% of the experience is inaccessible to my current conscious mind. The Ketamme experience is so bizarre and otherworldly that a normal mind can't even conceive of experiencing in this manner. It feels as though some part of the mind protectively closes off access to the dimensions experienced on Ketamine.

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One of the most remarkable things I experienced in becoming aware of and breaking my Ketamine addiction was the intervention of the tryptamine drugs, psilocybin and N,N-DMT. The DMT provided insights into the negative effects Ketamine was having on my life: a reduction in ambition; a reduction in healthy mortal fears, such as the fear of death; as well as a reluctance to confront fears or difficult tasks and situations directly. Frequent use of Ketamine can lure one as an escape since a blissful and fantastic state of fearless, disembodied consciousness is so easily available.

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Ketamine can be combined with most other psychedelics. However, after much experimentation I've decided against using it with any natural psychedelics. While I did have some positive experiences with such combinations early on, eventually I began seeing many negative effects, and felt that it was inappropriate, or at least that I was not ready, to combine substances of these types.

It seems as though the "entities" of the natural psychedelic realms are adverse to having their realms polluted by people combining them with K. I also feel these entities frown on excessive or indiscriminate use of Ketamine by itself.

The reversal in my experience of combining Ketamine with psilocybin was one factor that has led to my current position. But the most intense message came when I tried combining Ketamine with mescaline. When one takes a natural psychedelic like mescaline, they often come into contact with with age-old entities of that realm. With mescaline I find that I become a branch of a living entity, often called "Mescalito," who has existed at least since humans first ingested psychoactive cacti. Mescalito can be viewed as being a conglomeration of the experiences of all mescaline users. It feels as though when taking mescaline I become an "eye" of Mescalito, and that he experiences through me. Mescalito has experienced much during his 3000+ year life time. However, my introducing him to a powerful synthetic anesthetic/psychedelic left him shocked, stunned, and confused. It was a serious insult on my part to force this experience on Mescalito, especially since omens were telling me I should not do it.

I've found Ketamine to combine best with 2C-B This produces an enhanced K journey as well as reducing the negative effects during the recovery period. Limited experimentation with some rare synthetic phenethylamines, including 2CT7, 2CT2, and DOB, have also produced good results. I find no enhancement of the K journey when combining it with ecstasy, however, this does reduce the discomfort of the recovery period. Combining K with LSD produces an enhanced K journey, however the recovery period can be a serious drag.
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by mauseri » Fri 07 Aug 2009, 10:32

^^ kiitos tRip! seuraava deeli mitä kokeilen (kunhan sitä löydän ja kuten sanonta kuuluu: "etsivä löytää" ;) )
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by powergrower » Fri 28 Aug 2009, 14:58

Täydellisen neutraali oli hyvin sanottu, tRibh! Se todellakin kuvastaa ketamiinia pienemmillä annoksilla.

Tuo oraalinen nauttiminen alkoi itseäni hieman kiinnostamaan, eritoten jopa 4 tunnin vaikutusaika. Nasaalisesti se tunti kun tuntuu jopa liiotellulta kestolta, 45minuutin päästä on jo tukevasti laskemaan päin.
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by Dexma » Fri 28 Aug 2009, 21:08

powergrower wrote:Täydellisen neutraali oli hyvin sanottu, tRibh! Se todellakin kuvastaa ketamiinia pienemmillä annoksilla.

Tuo oraalinen nauttiminen alkoi itseäni hieman kiinnostamaan, eritoten jopa 4 tunnin vaikutusaika. Nasaalisesti se tunti kun tuntuu jopa liiotellulta kestolta, 45minuutin päästä on jo tukevasti laskemaan päin.
Oraalina nautittuna on hienoa pitkä afterglow, mutta itse dissosiaatio tila on edelleen pirun lyhyt. Ja suuren annoksen saa ottaa jos haluaa k-holeen.

Juurikin ketamiinin huono puoli on korka hinta + lyhyt pituus.
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by tRip » Sun 30 Aug 2009, 15:50

Dexma wrote:Juurikin ketamiinin huono puoli on korka hinta + lyhyt pituus.
häh..? =)

Kyl se Keta on niin omaa luokkaansa, et.. pöh :)

KETA on PYHÄ.. jumalallinen dissosiadeeli.
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by Siva » Wed 02 Sep 2009, 16:27

Phuuh, kahdesti tullut kokeiltua ja kuuluu mun suosikkeihin. Mikään ei näytä, tunnu tai vaikuta samalta arkiselta paskalta, musiikki kuulostaa paremmalta kuin missään dissosiatiivissa tai psykedeelissä mitä on tullut nautittua, kaikki on vaan niin vitun hienoa. 70-100mg annoksilla nenukkiin on ollut mukava dose. En kuitenkaan tykkäisi usein käyttää, menisi into nopeasti. Jättää kyllä tyynen, rentoutuneen fiiliksen jälkeenpäin vielä moneksi tunniksi vaikutuksien jälkeenkin.

Tekeeköhän kuinka pahaa munuaisille tämä?
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by dredi » Wed 02 Sep 2009, 16:41

Tekeeköhän kuinka pahaa munuaisille tämä?
Satunnaisesti käytettynä ei, säännöllinen käyttö raiskaa munuaiset, maksan ja virtsarakon.
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by mauseri » Wed 02 Sep 2009, 16:51

Kahdet nokat otin tänään eka kertaa ja rakastuin heti. 600mg tramadoolia oli päässä. eli sen kanssa ainakin aivan mahtavaa.
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by Siva » Wed 02 Sep 2009, 17:55

mauser1911 wrote:Kahdet nokat otin tänään eka kertaa ja rakastuin heti. 600mg tramadoolia oli päässä. eli sen kanssa ainakin aivan mahtavaa.
En hirveää eroa huomannut, mutta Suboxonen kanssa toimi myös aika pehmeästi. o/
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by mauseri » Fri 04 Sep 2009, 23:54

Ketamine

Ketamine is a general dissociative anaesthetic for human and veterinary use. Its hydrochloride salt is sold as Ketanest®, Ketaset®, and Ketalar®. Pharmacologically it is very similar to other dissociative anesthetics such as tiletamine and phencyclidine (PCP). As with many other pharmaceuticals, ketamine is used extramedically as a recreational drug.
Ketamine is a chiral compound, with two distinct enantiomers. Most pharmaceutical ketamine preparations are racemic, however reportedly some brands have (mostly undocumented) differences in enantiomeric proportions.


History
Ketamine was first synthesized in 1962 in an attempt to find a safer anaesthetic alternative to Phencyclidine (PCP) which was more likely to cause hallucinations and seizures. The drug was first given to American soldiers during the Vietnam War, but today in the developed world its use on humans has been dramatically curtailed because of exaggerated concern about its potential to cause emergence phenomena including out of body experiences in clinical practice. However, it is still used widely in veterinary medicine, or as a battlefield anesthetic in developing nations.
Ketamine's side effects eventually made it a popular psychedelic in 1965. The drug was used in psychiatric and other academic research through the 1970s, culminating in 1978 with the publishing of John Lilly's The Scientist, a book documenting the author's ketamine, LSD, and isolation tank experiments. The incidence of recreational ketamine use increased through the end of the century, especially in the context of raves and other parties. The increase in illicit use prompted ketamine's placement in Schedule III of the United States Controlled Substance Act in August 1999. In the United Kingdom, it became outlawed and labelled a Class C drug on January 1, 2006.[1] In Canada, as of August 31 2005, ketamine is classified as a Schedule III narcotic.


Medical use
Indicated for:

Pain relief, surgical anaesthesia

Recreational uses:

Dissociative
psychedelic

Contraindications:

Alcohol
Other sedatives
Stimulants

Side effects:
Severe: Impairs all senses, especially:
Sight
Balance
Sense of time
Cardiovascular:

Partial depressant

Gastrointestinal:
Nausea

Musculoskeletal:
Relaxant

Neurological:
Analgesia

Respiratory:
Partial depressant/stimulant


Since it suppresses breathing much less than most other available anaesthetics, ketamine is still used in human medicine as a first-choice anaesthetic for victims with unknown medical history (e.g. from traffic accidents), in podiatry and other minor surgery, and occasionally for the treatment of migraine. There is ongoing research in France, Russia, and the U.S. into the drug's usefulness in pain therapy, depression suppression, and for the treatment of alcoholism and heroin addiction. In veterinary medicine, ketamine is often used for its anaesthetic and analgesic effects on cats, dogs, rabbits, rats, and other small animals. Veterinarians often use ketamine with sedative drugs to produce balanced anaesthesia and analgesia, and as a constant rate infusion to help prevent pain wind-up. Ketamine is used to manage pain among horses and other large animals, though it has less effect on bovines.

Ketamine may be used in small doses (0.1–0.5 mg/kg/h) as an analgesic, particularly for the treatment of pain associated with movement and neuropathic pain. It has the added benefit of counter-acting spinal sensitization or wind-up phenomena experienced with chronic pain. At these doses, the psychotropic side effects are less apparent and well managed with benzodiazepines. Ketamine is a co-analgesic, requiring a concomitant low-dose opioid to be effective.

The effect of Ketamine as a depressant on the respiratory and circulatory systems is less than that of other anaesthetics. When used at anaesthetic doses, it will sometimes stimulate rather than depress the circulatory system. It is sometimes possible to perform ketamine anaesthesia without protective measures to the airways. Ketamine is also a potent analgesic and can be used in sub-anaesthetic doses to relieve acute pain; however, its psychotropic properties must be taken into account. Patients have reported vivid hallucinations, "going into other worlds" or "seeing God" while anaesthetized, and these unwanted psychological side-effects have reduced the use of ketamine in human medicine.


Experimental Antidepressant Use
The National Institute of Health News reports that a study of 17 patients led by Dr Carlos Zarate Jr. of the National Institute of Mental Health found that ketamine significantly improved treatment-resistant major depression within hours of injection. NIH. "Experimental Medication Kicks Depression in Hours Instead of Weeks" NIH News, August 7, 2006 The improvement lasted up to one week after the single dose. Khamsi, R. "Ketamine relieves depression within hours" New Scientist, 08 August 2006. The patients in the study were previously treatment resistant, having tried an average of six other treatments that failed. The importance of these findings was articulated by NIMH director Dr Thomas Insel: "To my knowledge, this is the first report of any medication or other treatment that results in such a pronounced, rapid, prolonged response with a single dose. These were very treatment-resistant patients." The researchers apparently attribute the effect to ketamine being an NMDA receptor antagonist. The study appears in the Archives of General Psychiatry. Zarate CA Jr, Singh JB, Carlson PJ, Brutsche NE, Ameli R, Luckenbaugh DA, Charney DS, Manji HK. "A randomized trial of an N-methyl-D-aspartate antagonist in treatment-resistant major depression" Archives of General Psychiatry, 2006 Aug;63(8):856-64. PMID 16894061. Those findings of Zarate et al corroborate earlier findings by Berman et all. Berman RM, Cappiello A, Anand A, Oren DA, Heninger GR, Charney DS, Krystal JH. "Antidepressant effects of ketamine in depressed patients". Biol Psychiatry. 2000 Feb 15;47(4):351-4. PMID 10686270.

Treatment of addiction
The Russian doctor Evgeny Krupitsky (who is Clinical Director of Research for the Saint Petersburg Regional Center for Research in Addiction and Psychopharmacology) has gained encouraging results by using ketamine as part of a treatment for alcohol addiction which combines psychedelic and aversive techniques http://www.eleusis.us/resource-center/r ... method.php. This method involved psychotherapy, controlled ketamine use and group therapy, and resulted in 60 of the 86 alcoholic males selected for the study remaining fully abstinent. He has also treated heroin addicts and reached the conclusion that ketamine reduces the craving for heroin without any adverse reaction http://www.eleusis.us/resource-center/r ... heroin.pdf.

Neuropharmacology
Ketamine, like Phencyclidine, is primarily a non-competitive antagonist of the NMDA receptor, which opens in response to binding of the neurotransmitter glutamate. This NMDA receptor mediates the analgesic (reduction of pain) effects of ketamine at low doses. Evidence for this is reinforced by the fact that naloxone, an opioid antagonist, does not reverse the analgesia. Studies also seem to indicate that ketamine is 'use dependent' meaning it only initiates its blocking action once a glutamate binds to the NMDA receptor.
At high, fully anesthetic level doses, ketamine has also been found to bind to opioid mu receptors and sigma receptors. Thus, loss of consciousness that occurs at high doses may be partially due to binding at the opioid mu and sigma receptors.

Ketamine is racemic, and its R and S stereoisomers have different binding affinities: (S)-Ketamine has about four times greater affinity for the PCP site of the NDMA receptor than does (R)-Ketamine (in guinea pig brain). The S form also seems to be better at inducing the drowsiness than the R form.[2]

The effects seem to take place mainly in the hippocampal formation and in the prefrontal cortex. This evidence, along with the NMDA receptor's connection with the memory formation process, explains ketamine's profound effects on memory and thought. These effects inhibit the filtering function of the brain and may mirror the sensory overload associated with schizophrenia and near death experiences.


Recreational use

Illicit sale
Ketamine sold illicitly comes from diverted legitimate supplies or theft, primarily veterinary clinics. In the US near its border with Mexico, the drug is most commonly acquired in Mexico, where it can be bought over the counter in veterinary clinics, and smuggled across the border.
In 2003, Operation TKO was a probe conducted by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA). As a result of operation TKO, U.S. and Mexican authorities shut down the Mexico City company, Laboratorios Ttokkyo, which was the biggest producer of ketamine in Mexico. According to the DEA, over 80% of ketamine found in the U.S. is of Mexican origin.[3]


Methods of use
Ketamine is sold in either powdered or liquid form. In powdered form, its appearance is similar to that of pharmaceutical grade cocaine and can be insufflated (snorted, also known as "taking bumps"), injected, or placed in beverages. Oral use usually requires more material, but results in a longer trip. The liquid can be heated to drive off the solvent (usually saline), leaving powder. In therapeutic and psychedelic use, the liquid is typically injected intramuscularly. Intravenous injection is uncommon (recreationally), though possible. It is essentially identical in effect to intramuscular injection, but leads to a much quicker onset — usually within 10 to 15 seconds of dosing. Additionally, intravenous injection tends to lead to a more sudden and marked respiratory depression, especially if the solution is injected at too high of a potency (too fast). These factors make intravenous self-injection dangerous.
Some drug users' first contact with ketamine is accidental, from a pill sold as something else (commonly ecstasy). Ketamine is also commonly combined with other drugs to enhance their effects. There have been claims that ketamine has been used as a date rape drug because of its powerful dissociative effects.


Psychological effects
Unlike true psychedelics, ketamine is powerfully reinforcing to many users and compulsive use is frequently reported. Both ketamine pioneer John Lilly and pseudonymous author D.M. Turner reported prolonged periods of 'ketamine dependency', and the latter drowned in a bathtub while on ketamine.
Ketamine produces effects similar to PCP and DXM. Like other dissociative anesthetics in low- to upper-middle dosages, its hallucinogenic effects are only seen against a background lacking sensory stimulation, such as darkness. Some users claim that a trip due to ketamine use is as good or better than that of PCP or LSD because its overt hallucinatory effects are short-acting, lasting an hour or less in most cases. Effects on the senses, judgment, and coordination, however, can last for 18 to 24 hours. Standing up and moving may be more dangerous than lying still in one place.

Like the other dissociative anaesthetics DXM and PCP, hallucinations caused by ketamine are fundamentally different from those caused by tryptamines and phenethylamines. At low doses hallucinations are only seen when one is in a dark room with one's eyes closed, while at medium to high doses the effects are far more intense and obvious. These effects include changes in the perception of distances and durations as well as a slowing of the visual system's ability to update what the user is seeing. There are reports of high-dosage users being able to see their surroundings in two sharp images, as if the brain is unable to merge the images each eye is sending. Speech often sounds unintelligible and auditory hallucinations may occur.

Ketamine puts the user in a dissociated state, meaning that they are less connected to both a sense of self and the reality around them. If a large enough amount is taken, the user may go into or through a "K-hole", a state of wildly dissociated experience in which other worlds or dimensions that are difficult to describe with language are said to be perceived, all the while being completely unaware of one's individual identity or the outside world. A user may feel as though his or her perception is located so deep inside the mind that the real world seems distant (hence the use of a "hole" to describe the experience). Some users may not remember this part of the experience after regaining consciousness, in the same way that a person may forget a dream. The "re-integration" process is slow, and the user gradually becomes aware of surroundings. At first, a user may not remember his or her own name, or even know that they are human, or what that means. Movement is extremely difficult, and a user may not be aware that they have a body at all.


Ketamine in the media
In the seventh episode of the first season of the American television series The Dead Zone, titled "Enemy Mind," the lead character, psychic Johnny Smith, accidentally inhales Ketamine in aerosol state, and the drug wreaks havoc with his "dead zone," the primary brain center for his psychic visions.
In the last episode of the second season of the American televison series House, titled "No Reason," the lead character, Dr. Gregory House, is administered Ketamine to try to relieve the terrible leg pain he has been suffering throughout the course of the series. At the beginning of the third season, it seems that the Ketamine treatment has worked, though by the end of the second episode his pain has returned and he has started using a walking cane and Vicodin again.
In the sixth episode of the second season of I'm Alan Partridge, entitled "Alan Wide Shut", Alan Partridge attends a radio interview on a program called Prayer Wave to promote his autobiography and has a surreal, barbed conversation with a woman called Kate Fitzgerald who is also promoting her autobiography. They discuss her ketamine use and move on to talk about Alan's addiction to chocolate, specifically Toblerone.
In the South Park episode Stupid Spoiled Whore Video Playset (referring to Paris Hilton), the girls say they are going to a party to do Ketamine and then make fun of Wendy for knowing what Ketamine is, saying they have no idea but are going to do it anyway. It is also referred to in the episode You Got F*cked in the Ass where Stan and Chef go to recruit a duck in their dance team. The owner plays two songs for the duck to dance to which contains the line "You do a line and i'll do a line honey" followed by "You snort K and I'll snort K honey".
Both these South Park episodes have been sampled by STITCH for trax on the BAD SEKTA record label.
PHUQ released a cdep for BAD SEKTA titled "K Musick [volume one]". His next release is titled "When You Gave Me That Powder You Changed My Life".
Ketamine is featured also in the episode 44 of the HBO tv-series Six Feet Under, where Russell, one of the students in Claire's art school, reports his experiences after a lengthy trip.
The band Placebo has a song titled Special K, the content of which is based on the singer's supposed experienced with the drug.
Ricardo Villalobos, a popular electronic musician affiliated with the microhouse movement, began a unique form of microhouse which eventually came to be called ketamine house.
Chemical Brothers have a song titled Lost in the K-Hole on their Dig Your Own Hole album.
The Californian punk band NOFX have a song titled 'Kids of the K Hole' on their 1997 album So Long and Thanks for All the Shoes
CocoRosie, the indie/psych-folk sister duet, has a song called 'K-Hole' on their 2005 album Noah's Ark on Touch and Go Records.
The indie rock group Silver Jews have a song titled 'K-Hole' on their 2005 album Tanglewood Numbers.
The indie pop group The Clientele have songs titled 'Since K Got Over Me' and 'K' on their 2005 album Strange Geometry.
In the movie Cecil B. DeMented, the drug addict character, Lyle, runs in place and shouts "Help! Cherish! I'm stuck in a K-Hole and I can't get out!".
In the movie Party Monster, starring Macauly Culkin and Seth Green, ketamine was a large part of the main protagonists' downfall.
In the movie Children of Men, when Julian is talking about when she and Theodore went out to have coffee she refers that his cup was full of ketamine.

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Re: Ketamiini

Post by Usoda » Sat 05 Sep 2009, 19:43

Nopeasti nousee kyllä tää disso aina, tuntuu että on selvä olo mutta odottaa sen 10 minuttia niin ei edes näe eteensä enään vaan seikkailee jossain pään sisällä vaikka silmät ovat auki.
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Post by tRip » Sun 06 Sep 2009, 13:11

"Ku Minuus palaa, pitää ottaa lisää Ketaa" @JeShu

Näinhän se tuntuu menevän.. itselläni etenkin. Mikähän siinä niin kiehtoo olla Minättömässä tilassa..? Mitätön?

Pidemmän päälle melko, itseasiassa hyvinkin, freenistä, psykoottista.. vainoilua..
Silti K:a kiskoo niin kauan ku sitä o.
Egosentrisyys on sana johon takerruin jo ensimmäisten kokemusten myötä, ja jonka nyt vasta olen oppinut sisäistämään itsessäni.

Mielestäni tämä tuntuu olevan joko väärinymmärretty lääke huumeena, tai sitten väärinymmärretty huume päihteenä.

En tiedä.. selittely tuntuu olevan turhaa, tai turhan outoa.. sanat tuntuvat typeriltä, tai vähintäänkin oudoilta.
Ihmiset tuntuvat vierailta, tai ehkä vain ihmisyyyden pilaannuttamilta eläimiltä. En tiedä.. en tiedä oikeastaan mitään.

Sen vain tiedän että on silloin on hyvä olla kun minuus ei ole esteenä. Se tuntuu itseasiassa täysin naurettavalta ajatukselta.

Se mikä Ketamiinista tekee aivan omanlaisensa, erikoislaatuisen, on että syvällä Ketavaruudessakin rehellisyys ja vilpittömyys huokuaa syvältä sisimmästä. Kun sukeltelee tarpeeksi syvällä, on hyvin avuton olo, ei millääntapaa nöyrä, avuton vain. Sekin tuntuu vain vilpittömän hyvältä.. olla vain kaiken armoilla. Kuin avaruus-aallokossa seilaillen täysin tyynenä, luottaen siihen että joskus se lautta kohahtaa rantaan, jossa on suuri, ystävällinen ihmisjoukko ottamassa vastaan muukalaisen vieraalta planeetalta.

Ihmeainetta Ketamiini kyl.. joskin myös kovin ADDiktoivaa
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by tRip » Sun 06 Sep 2009, 13:45

Common signs and side effects of Ketamine use

The use of Ketamine can result in profound physical and mental problems including delirium, amnesia, impaired motor function and potentially fatal respiratory problems. Panic, rage and paranoia may also occur. Some people feel paralyzed by the drug, unable to speak without slurring, while others either feel sick or actually throw up. While using Ketamine one is less likely to feel pain and in turn could end up inflicting injury or harm to themselves without even knowing it. In addition, one can be submerged in their hallucinations without realizing that they are hallucinating. Eating or drinking before taking the drug can cause vomiting.

Information regarding the long-term effects of Ketamine is mainly anecdotal. Flashbacks of experiences and hallucinations while under the influence of the drug have been reported. There have also been suggestions that long-term use of Ketamine can damage the memory and eyesight of the user, as well as reducing attention span. Frequent use can cause disruptions in consciousness and lead to neuroses or other mental disorders.

A BBC report in May 2000 claimed that medical research had shown that controlled tests on Ketamine users had revealed impaired memory and mild schizophrenia several days after taking the drug.

Two psychological difficulties which seem to come up for those who use Ketamine regularly are paranoia and egocentrism. There are many reports of regular users starting to see patterns and coincidences (synchronicities) in the world around them which seem to indicate that they are somehow more important or integral to the world than others. This same sense of the world focusing on the user can also feed into a sense of paranoia. A main characteristic of Ketamine is a stupor similar to extreme drunkenness. This is commonly known as "being in the K-hole."
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by peltsi » Sun 06 Sep 2009, 15:31

Olisin kyllä innokas kokeilemaan kyseistä dissoa mutta eipä oo näkyny täälläpäin eikä kyllä näykkään.
Ootteko tilanneet tätä vai ostanut jotain muuta kautta?
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by tRip » Sun 06 Sep 2009, 18:24

peltsi wrote:Olisin kyllä innokas kokeilemaan kyseistä dissoa mutta eipä oo näkyny täälläpäin eikä kyllä näykkään.
Ootteko tilanneet tätä vai ostanut jotain muuta kautta?
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by tRip » Sun 06 Sep 2009, 18:25

desoxy wrote:
tRibh wrote:Ihmeainetta Ketamiini kyl.. joskin myös kovin ADDiktoivaa
aivan naurettavan.
Joo kyl se taitaa vähänniinku ihan oikeesti olla näin..
tietyltapaa tosi kuumottavaa
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by bUkkA » Sun 06 Sep 2009, 18:56

tRibh wrote:
desoxy wrote:
tRibh wrote:Ihmeainetta Ketamiini kyl.. joskin myös kovin ADDiktoivaa
aivan naurettavan.
Joo kyl se taitaa vähänniinku ihan oikeesti olla näin..
tietyltapaa tosi kuumottavaa
Kuinka pitkään uskaltaa ottaa kuumottamatta kauheasti?

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Re: Ketamiini

Post by dredi » Sun 06 Sep 2009, 20:36

Kaikilla säännöllisillä ketamiinin käyttäjillä menee enemmin tai myöhemmin munuskaiset sekä virtsarakkula ihan tuhannen pillun päreiksi. Satunnaiskäytössä ketamiini on kuitenkin erittäin turvallinen aine.

Triviaalia informaatiota: ongelmia aiheuttaa lähinnä ketamiinin metaboliitti norketamiini, itse ketamiini ei sitä vahinkoa aiheuta. Norketamiinia tietääkseni muodostuu kaikkein eniten jos ketamiini nautitaan syömällä.
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by tRip » Mon 07 Sep 2009, 00:22

dredi wrote:Kaikilla säännöllisillä ketamiinin käyttäjillä menee enemmin tai myöhemmin munuskaiset sekä virtsarakkula ihan tuhannen pillun päreiksi. Satunnaiskäytössä ketamiini on kuitenkin erittäin turvallinen aine.
Mun mielestä tossa haiskahtaa pieni ylimielisyys..ennakkoluulo.
En pysty ottamaan kantaa tieteelliseltä pohjalta, koska paskat siitä. Mutta tunteehan sen ettei Ketamiini pidemmänpäälle tee tosiaankaan hyvää psyykeelle, fysiikalle eikä sisäelimille.. en tarkalleenottaen tiedä, ihminen on psyykkis-fyysinen olio. Mutta olen kyllä huomannut miten munuaiset on kovilla kun tätä kiskoo.

Mutta uskoisin kuitenkin että saa kyllä kiskoa melkoiset määrät ketamiinia ennenkuin munuaiset alkaa oikeasti skragaamaan. Mutta
jos sen lisäksi vielä käyttää muitakin päihteitä jotka rasittavat munuaisia, olisi syytä hieman pysähtyä miettimään kannattaako se.

Kohtuus kaikessa..eikös..

Mutta sen mitä ketamiinilta olen oppinut, tai on se osoittanut, niin todellisen kohtuuttomuuden. hallitsemattoman kohtuuttomuuden.
Tämä on omiaan luomaan tietyn stereotypian ketADDiktesta, jotka kiskoo ketaa ku viimeistä päivää.

Joillakin siinä kohtuuttomuudessakin on tietty kohtuus..

Toiset ovat heikompia..

toiset taas kestävät aineita enemmän.. jotkut ihan liikaa.

Eräillä uskon jo olevan jokin ihme pyhä henki.. eivät he muuten olisi enää ainakaan minkään järjen mukaan hengissäkään enää.

Ihmisellä on kumma tarve yleistää ja lokeroida asioita.. luulisin että osaksi hallitakseen omaa elämäänsä, toisekseen heitä kahlitsee liikaa järki.
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by dredi » Mon 07 Sep 2009, 00:26

Ihmiset kuvittelevat hallitsevansa omaa elämäänsä. Siinä se juju on. Psykoaktiiviset aineet saattavat haihduttaa tämän harhakuvitelman, minkä vuoksi monet ahdistuvat niistä. Ja addiktoituvat aineisiin jotka turruttavat ja luovat uuden illuusion hajonneen tilalle. Valheellisessa turvallisuudentunteessa on mukava kölliä pumpuliin kääriytyneenä.

Oho, nyt meni ihan vähän offtopikkia.
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Re: Ketamiini

Post by Jussi » Fri 11 Sep 2009, 21:07

dredi wrote:Ihmiset kuvittelevat hallitsevansa omaa elämäänsä. Siinä se juju on. Psykoaktiiviset aineet saattavat haihduttaa tämän harhakuvitelman, minkä vuoksi monet ahdistuvat niistä. Ja addiktoituvat aineisiin jotka turruttavat ja luovat uuden illuusion hajonneen tilalle. Valheellisessa turvallisuudentunteessa on mukava kölliä pumpuliin kääriytyneenä.

Oho, nyt meni ihan vähän offtopikkia.
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